User talk:Kaysakado/Jazz Attack

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I realize that this is a skeleton at most, but if this is going to go any further, shouldn't all these maps have their own sub-pages? --Jazz 21:00, 26 January 2008 (PST)

P.S. Also, shouldn't we determine if my mod is even worthy of mention in the wiki at this time? We might want to figure that out before we take this much further.

Well, for the sub-pages thing, I think that we should only use sub-pages if the mod was really big, like Mystic Realm or something, with over 9000 maps. As for the worthy of mention thing, that's why we're not using an actual page yet. We're still trying to figure that out. ~Kaysakado  •  Talk  •  15:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Determining Mod "Worthiness"

I personally don't think Jazz Attack in its current form is worthy of being placed next to the other mods and level packs that are currently in the wiki. However, even in its current state, it is still a respectable level pack and still one of a tiny number of non-contest Match/CTF level packs. So, for these reasons, this is what I'd like to find out from you all:

  • Could this or a future version of Jazz Attack be worthy of mention in the wiki?
  • If so, are Spazztastic and/or Multiplayer Fusion also worthy of mention?
  • Are any non-contest multiplayer packs even worth mentioning at all, since the vast majority of servers host Co-op level packs, or just vanilla Match/CTF?

Personally, I'd like Jazz Attack to be a "mod worthiness" experiment. Since I edit the wiki and also create the level pack, it would seem that Jazz Attack could be a great "guniea pig" so to speak, for the mod mentioning process.

Discuss. --Jazz 10:14, 15 February 2008 (PST)

Personally I'd love to see both this and the others mentioned get their own real articles. All of them seem to be notable in one way or another. Spazztastic is known for having a lot of old maps however much they may stink, Multiplayer Fusion has some of the best maps ever made for Match, and Jazz-attack has a pretty widespread use. However it would be nice to give the levels each some specific attention whether or not these would be considered wiki-worthy. Maybe each level mentioned could have a small description and some techniques or interesting trivia... the technical data probably wouldn't be necessary. JEV3 10:33, 15 February 2008 (PST)

I think that maybe we could make articles for the packs, but not articles for each specific level. Just a short description in the pack's article. ~Kaysakado  •  Talk  •  20:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I meant that the levels should be basically a very concise and to-the-point versions of what would be there if they were a full page. I think that techniques and various interesting facts regarding the levels (particularly in Spazztastic's case) should not be left out, but made so that it doesn't bloat the article. JEV3 14:45, 15 February 2008 (PST)

Personally, I'd hold off decision making on this until the pages have actual content in them. I, personally, haven't played it. If the creator himself doesn't see it fit for content here, that makes me hesitant. But I'd like to see actual articles before making a decision. ~DarkWarrior Talk • Contribs 15:35, 17 February 2008 (PST)

Well, I know one thing. Kaysakado can still keep this as a personal user page. Yeah, I played the CTF stages recently. I...didn't like any of them... Well, it looked like it was popular, so I thought maybe it was notable. Perhaps I was wrong. –SonicMaster 15:45, 17 February 2008 (PST)

Your overall opinion on my CTF maps is not shared by majority of people who have voiced their opinions on my maps. I fully realize that several of them, most notably Woods of War and Sunken Sanctuary, are full of flaws. That would be why Woods of War is being replaced, and Sunken Sanctuary is getting some tweaking done.

I can also see why Dark Warrior would want to have some fuller articles on levels before making any kind of decision. The problem with this is simply the number of maps (four) that are being completely replaced for next version (1c.) With this in mind, should I create a list of the most stable levels that pilot articles can be created for?

Also, Dark Warrior, the real reason why I am hesitant about Jazz Attack being worthy of mention is because I am competing against Mystic Realm and Acid Missile, which are both many times more acclaimed and popular. Jazz Attack (or Multiplayer Fusion and Spazztastic for that matter) have nowhere close to the amount of mass appeal as Mystic Realm or Acid Missile. I have a lot of confidence (probably too much confidence -_-) in my level design. But not so much confidence as to think that the quality of my work is even comparable to that of Mystic or FuriousFox... --Jazz 08:54, 18 February 2008 (PST)

Deathmatch Arena is my favorite, and I think it is your best. The fact that World of Pain is possible, but almost totally impossible to actually happen, is actually really cool. Well, most of your maps aren't comparable to Mystic's or FuriousFox's quality. However, I'll give you this: Acid Missile is incredibly overrated. –SonicMaster 12:14, 18 February 2008 (PST)

I'm confused, so do all the levels now need pages before more consideration can be taken, or do they at least need to be treated in depth enough to be considered worthy of a single level pack article? JEV3 12:42, 18 February 2008 (PST)

The thing is that you're not truly competing against Digiku, FuriousFox, Tets, and Mystic, simply because of the fact that they're in a different division: Single Player. Your stages are Match. Therefore, I actually do believe this should get its own article, not to mention that it shouldn't be split up into multiple pages. Just one page will be good. Nah, your quality isn't as good as Mystic or FuriousFox. But as long as it really is truly notable in the community, that's a good reason to have it up here. Why don't you submit your remade maps to the Level Design Contests so you can see how much you really do contrast/compare to Mystic? –SonicMaster 11:59, 27 February 2008 (PST)

I cannot. You are not allowed to submit a map to contest that has already been released. --Jazz 13:20, 27 February 2008 (PST)

I thought you could. People are allowed to review your levels before you submit them. Does that mean I can't submit Pipemania either because I put a link to it on my user page? Or is it just because JA's been so widely released? –SonicMaster 16:51, 27 February 2008 (PST)